Damn, these Astro spoilers, it went from One Piece to Resident Evil
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pennycryman said:
Ao no Miburo's also getting no backlog lol. It doesn't matter what time-slot it gets, Shueisha's end all be all for greenlighting an adaptation is if it can help manga sales. That or pity, in Zumou's case. Plus, I also assume getting a timeslot right before Conan costs some sort of money, so not everything can get it lol. Sure, Yozakura's getting a sequal due to strong ratings, but it was greenlighted because the manga had survived 3 years and built a consistent fanbase, and there was potential for growth, it was selling 30K after all. Meanwhile Kill Blue had a 25% drop from volume 1 to volume 2, had mildly stable, yet low, sales and is now dropping again, and with the way it's going, if Jump let's it pass, it has a good chance of hitting 15K. I don't know why you think if Magazine does something, Jump should do something, Magazine simply has lower standards than Jump, which is natural, the magazine circulation is half of Jump's after all. Kill Blue's dead in the ToC right now, I recall one chapter doing well on Twitter, but Nue also does consistently well there and is still ranking poor atm.
You mention that no one cares about ToC rankings or Sales. You're right, the layman doesn't really care about that. But that's the problem, a large part of anime boosts are based on WoM, and Kill Blue has not much. And if a 20K seller from one of the biggest veteran names in the industry from the biggest print magazine gets an adaptation, how many people will care about buying the manga, when it has theoretically gotten a lot of exposure already, and is still performing poorly?
Can Kill Blue survive? Yes, it's not like it has to do particularly well to scrape over the flops. Can Kill Blue get an adaptation? Yes, and it wouldn't even be the worst decision the editorial has made. But Shueisha's number one priority when it comes to greenlighting adaptations will always boil down to "Can this help the manga." Ratings are a distant second.
I'll admit that I said it partially out of jest, but I am of the opinion that the magazine has deteriorated significantly since Cipher was axed. Also, Kill Blue's lowest volume being higher than Cipher's best isn't the defense you think it is when that is what Kill Blue is currently selling, and because Cipher was special interest while Kill Blue is a battle shonen. Also, Fujimaki is a much bigger name than NISIO.
We don't really know about getting no backlog, is much probably selling digital, also, how many hundreds of anime adaptations do not give it a visible "physical" boost in sales and it still gets sequel/s? selling volume copies is just one of the reasons why a manga gets a anime, and just by being in that timeslot getting higher ratings than Doraemon and One Piece, even if just by being before Conan, it's already something that must be generating revenue for them but in the end of the day it's not the point of the comment, the point is that the average anime and manga consumer doesn't care at all about ToC or how many copies X or Y series is selling when anime get announced, they don't judge by that when interested in something, Kill Blue can drop by 10k copies and that will not matter for the public if gets a anime adaptation, in the end it's about what Saito & cia wants to do or what they think it has or not potential, and in my opinion, if you're going to keep a manga for 2 years and it sell decently, just give it a anime already and keep it for at least a 3rd year, and i'm not saying because i like Kill Blue but that i just find a waste of time keeping a series alive for all this time to not give it anything, i still think Jump should greenlight a season of Magu-chan for example.
About Jump & Magazine, i do the comparisons because they're the biggest shounen magazines and have pretty similar public target, and they're honestly not really far of each other anymore, if you cut One Piece and Hunter x Hunter, WSJ will be pretty much the same as WSM in terms of sales, that big wall between them dont really exist anymore, so when i see WSM doing such a better job than WSJ when it comes to push anime for their series even if X or Y isn't selling that much while i see WSJ taking 3+ years just to give a decent quality anime for series like Yozakura, Sakamoto and WW, i will praise WSM for their job and say that is something WSJ should try to replicate.
And like i said to KrenKren, i feel like you're just looking at it too much from the "I'm a aspiring WSJ editor so i have to judge everything based in ToC or sales" lens that so many do, which is fine for the forum discussions about this stuff, but outside these discussions it really doesn't matter, for me Jump could greenlight a Policeman Chojo anime next week and i would be happy for the manga, why not do it? It has fanbase even if small, it's popular online, might actually boost digital copies, it's not like Jump will lose anything by doing it, if it doesn't give any results, it can just end shortly after the anime finishes.
By the way, we don't know what is Shueisha number one priority when greenlighting a anime, that's what you're saying it, unless there's a interview with the CEO stating it, so you're narrowing your argument too much into the idea that Shueisha/Jump only cares about boosting manga sales when deciding anime when there's a whole world of revenue from merchandise, music, advertising and streaming.
To finish, Kill Blue is not a battle shounen, it's a mostly comedy & school with action series, and comparing sales wasn't really a defense, just pointing out that even at the worst of KB it still the peak of Cipher, so saying CA should have run for longer than KB when KB is clearly more popular it's weird from a non personal point of view, and i actually commented a few times after Cipher got axed that it was a wasted cancelation just to start a few stuff that would sell less than it, so i don't think it should have run longer compared to KB but simply because it was doing decently enough by itself
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BelTL said:
I wonder if that very specific page was another reason it got pushed this far back in the magazine other than survey/sales
But well, I wouldn't mind if it has to get axed like this. It's much less frustrating than getting axed by trying too hard to be OP. At least Wakui finally got to be himself, tho that may not be what he was aiming for
Wakui really going with the "is okay to show this on Shonen Jump?" controversial pages but good, it's what sets him apart from the other authors and series.